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We show the consistency of "there is a nice σ-ideal ℐ on the reals with add(ℐ) = ℵ₁ which cannot be represented as the union of a strictly increasing sequence of length ω₁ of σ-subideals". This answers [Borodulin-Nadzieja and Głąb, Math. Logic Quart. 57 (2011), 582-590, Problem 6.2(ii)].