In 搂1 we define some properties of ideals by using games. These properties strengthen precipitousness. We call these stronger ideals. In 搂2 we show some limitations on the existence of such ideals over $饾摕_{魏}位$. We also present a consistency result concerning the existence of such ideals over $饾摕_{魏}位$. In 搂3 we show that such ideals satisfy stronger normality. We show a cardinal arithmetical consequence of the existence of strongly normal ideals. In 搂 4 we study some "large cardinal-like" consequences of stronger ideals.